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jsnКак же все-таки Бодрийяр рулит.
By the way, do you know how General Schwarzkopf, the great Gulf War strategist, celebrated his victory? He had a huge party at Disney World. These festivities in the palace of the imaginary were a worthy conclusion to such a virtual war.
...
Similarly, it is useless to keep searching for computer viruses since we are all caught in a viral chain of networks anyway. Information itself has become viral; perhaps not sexually transmissible yet, but much more powerful through its numerical propagation.
(Disneyworld Company. Все-таки они здорово похожи с Эко. Эко пытается придерживаться позиций семиологии, а Бодрийяр -- философии, но результат получается очень сходный).
к старой теме "реализм vs номинализм", о схлопывании онтологического знания и моральном релятивизме:
The belief in truth is part of the elementary forms of religious life. It is a weakness of understanding, of common-sense. At the same time, it is the last stronghold for the supporters of morality, for the apostles of the legality of the real and the rational, according to whom the reality principle cannot be questioned. Fortunately, nobody, not even those who teach it, lives according to this principle, and for a good reason: nobody really believes in the real. Nor do they believe in the evidence of real life. This
would be too sad.
(Radical Thought)
кто-нибудь, пожалуйста, дайте почитать "Simulacra & Simulation" на английском или русском, или подскажите, где в Москве можно купить?
By the way, do you know how General Schwarzkopf, the great Gulf War strategist, celebrated his victory? He had a huge party at Disney World. These festivities in the palace of the imaginary were a worthy conclusion to such a virtual war.
...
Similarly, it is useless to keep searching for computer viruses since we are all caught in a viral chain of networks anyway. Information itself has become viral; perhaps not sexually transmissible yet, but much more powerful through its numerical propagation.
(Disneyworld Company. Все-таки они здорово похожи с Эко. Эко пытается придерживаться позиций семиологии, а Бодрийяр -- философии, но результат получается очень сходный).
к старой теме "реализм vs номинализм", о схлопывании онтологического знания и моральном релятивизме:
The belief in truth is part of the elementary forms of religious life. It is a weakness of understanding, of common-sense. At the same time, it is the last stronghold for the supporters of morality, for the apostles of the legality of the real and the rational, according to whom the reality principle cannot be questioned. Fortunately, nobody, not even those who teach it, lives according to this principle, and for a good reason: nobody really believes in the real. Nor do they believe in the evidence of real life. This
would be too sad.
(Radical Thought)
кто-нибудь, пожалуйста, дайте почитать "Simulacra & Simulation" на английском или русском, или подскажите, где в Москве можно купить?
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Re: Ýòî ê êàêîé æå ýòî ìàññå?
Date: 2001-12-18 03:11 am (UTC)Re: Ýòî ê êàêîé æå ýòî ìàññå?
Ïî ñóùåñòâó æå, ÿ ïîíÿë, êóäà âû êëîíèòå, íî âû, ïîõîæå, óïóñòèëè ïîñòàíîâêó çàäà÷è (ìíå îíà ïðåäñòàâëÿëàñü î÷åâèäíîé, ïîýòîìó ÿ åå â îñíîâíûõ ðàññóæäåíèÿõ è àíàëîãèÿõ íå ïîä÷åðêèâàë).
Ïðîäîëæàÿ áèîëîãè÷åñêóþ àíàëîãèþ, ñàìà ïî ñåáå èììóííàÿ ñèñòåìà íóæíà ïîñòîëüêó, ïîñêîëüêó îðãàíèçì òàêè íóæäàåòñÿ â îáìåíå âåùåñòâàìè (à ïðè ñëó÷àå è ñóùåñòâàìè) ñ âíåøíåé ñðåäîé. Åñëè áû öåëü ñòîÿëà çàùèòèòüñÿ îò âñåãî, ÷òî ïðèõîäèò èçâíå, ãîðàçäî ëó÷øå èììóííîé ñèñòåìû áûëî áû çàêîïàòüñÿ íà äåñÿòü ìåòðîâ â ñêàëüíûé ãðóíò è îòðàñòèòü âîêðóã ñåáÿ ãåðìåòè÷íóþ êîñòÿíóþ îáîëî÷êó. Íî öåëü ñòîèò ñîâñåì äðóãàÿ, ïîýòîìó íóæíà èììóííàÿ ñèñòåìà - íå òîëüêî (è íå ñòîëüêî) ñèëüíàÿ, ñêîëüêî èçáèðàòåëüíàÿ, ïðè÷åì åùå è ñ ïðàâèëüíî íàñòðîåííîé èçáèðàòåëüíîñòüþ. Ôèëüòð, à íå áàðüåð.
Íåêðèòè÷åñêîå íåïðèÿòèå íè÷óòü íå ëó÷øå íåêðèòè÷åñêîãî âîñïðèÿòèÿ. Òî, ÷òî íóæíî - ýòî èìåííî êðèòè÷åñêîå âîñïðèÿòèå. Òî åñòü íóæíû êðèòåðèè (òóò ìîè ýòèìîëîãè÷åñêèå çíàíèÿ õðîìàþò - íå îäíîêîðåííûå ëè ýòî ñëîâà ñ êðèòèêîé), à íå áîäðèÿðîâùèíà ñ ðåëÿòèâèçüìîì.
Re: Ýòî ê êàêîé æå ýòî ìàññå?
Date: 2001-12-18 04:38 am (UTC)Ïðîñòî ïðî÷èòàë òåêñò ïî âàøåé æå ññûëêå
Ïîä÷åðêèâàíèå ìîå.
Û?
Re: Ïðîñòî ïðî÷èòàë òåêñò ïî âàøåé æå ññûëêå
Date: 2001-12-18 08:10 am (UTC)