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jsnКак же все-таки Бодрийяр рулит.
By the way, do you know how General Schwarzkopf, the great Gulf War strategist, celebrated his victory? He had a huge party at Disney World. These festivities in the palace of the imaginary were a worthy conclusion to such a virtual war.
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Similarly, it is useless to keep searching for computer viruses since we are all caught in a viral chain of networks anyway. Information itself has become viral; perhaps not sexually transmissible yet, but much more powerful through its numerical propagation.
(Disneyworld Company. Все-таки они здорово похожи с Эко. Эко пытается придерживаться позиций семиологии, а Бодрийяр -- философии, но результат получается очень сходный).
к старой теме "реализм vs номинализм", о схлопывании онтологического знания и моральном релятивизме:
The belief in truth is part of the elementary forms of religious life. It is a weakness of understanding, of common-sense. At the same time, it is the last stronghold for the supporters of morality, for the apostles of the legality of the real and the rational, according to whom the reality principle cannot be questioned. Fortunately, nobody, not even those who teach it, lives according to this principle, and for a good reason: nobody really believes in the real. Nor do they believe in the evidence of real life. This
would be too sad.
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кто-нибудь, пожалуйста, дайте почитать "Simulacra & Simulation" на английском или русском, или подскажите, где в Москве можно купить?
By the way, do you know how General Schwarzkopf, the great Gulf War strategist, celebrated his victory? He had a huge party at Disney World. These festivities in the palace of the imaginary were a worthy conclusion to such a virtual war.
...
Similarly, it is useless to keep searching for computer viruses since we are all caught in a viral chain of networks anyway. Information itself has become viral; perhaps not sexually transmissible yet, but much more powerful through its numerical propagation.
(Disneyworld Company. Все-таки они здорово похожи с Эко. Эко пытается придерживаться позиций семиологии, а Бодрийяр -- философии, но результат получается очень сходный).
к старой теме "реализм vs номинализм", о схлопывании онтологического знания и моральном релятивизме:
The belief in truth is part of the elementary forms of religious life. It is a weakness of understanding, of common-sense. At the same time, it is the last stronghold for the supporters of morality, for the apostles of the legality of the real and the rational, according to whom the reality principle cannot be questioned. Fortunately, nobody, not even those who teach it, lives according to this principle, and for a good reason: nobody really believes in the real. Nor do they believe in the evidence of real life. This
would be too sad.
(Radical Thought)
кто-нибудь, пожалуйста, дайте почитать "Simulacra & Simulation" на английском или русском, или подскажите, где в Москве можно купить?
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Date: 2001-12-17 01:30 am (UTC)Ïîíÿòíî, ÷òî human genome ïðèâîäèòñÿ êàê ïðèìåð "ðåàëüíîé âåùè", êîòîðàÿ ìîæåò áûòü àññèìèëèðîâàíà äèñíååâñêèì ìåõàíèçìîì ñèìóëÿöèé as is, äëÿ ýòîãî äîñòàòî÷íî çíàòü ïðèìåðíóþ ôîðìó âåùè, íå áîëåå òîãî. Áîäðèéÿð, î÷åâèäíî, èðîíèçèðóåò çäåñü: åñëè îíè ìîãóò êóïèòü è àññèìèëèðîâàòü â ñèìóëÿöèþ êâàðòàë êðàñíûõ ôîíàðåé, òî ïî÷åìó áû èì íå ñäåëàòü òî æå ñàìîå ñ ÷åì óãîäíî, ñ ÷åëîâå÷åñêèì ãåíîìîì?
Êàñàòåëüíî ïîñëåäíåãî îòðûâêà -- íó î÷åâèäíî æå, ÷òî Áîäðèéÿð çäåñü îïèñûâàåò òåíäåíöèþ, êîòîðàÿ óæå ñåãîäíÿ âèäíà íåâîîðóæåííûì ãëàçîì (ó÷åíèå Ôîìåíêî, â ñóùíîñòè, äîâîëüíî çàáàâíîå ýêñòðåìàëüíîå ïðîÿâëåíèå ýòîé òåíäåíöèè): âûòåñíåíèå ðåàëüíîñòè ñèìóëÿöèÿìè.  ìàññîâîì ñîçíàíèè ýòî âûòåñíåíèå íàëèöî: ñðåäíèé ïîñòñîâåòñêèé ïîäðîñòîê âðÿä ëè ïðåäñòàâëÿåò ñåáå Äèêèé Çàïàä êàê-òî èíà÷å, ÷åì ýòî ïîêàçàíî â âåñòåðíàõ. Ñòîëü æå î÷åâèäíî, ÷òî ýòà òåíäåíöèÿ íå îãðàíè÷èâàåòñÿ òîëüêî ìàññîâûì ñîçíàíèåì.
Îñíîâíàÿ òåìà Áîäðèéÿðà, íàñêîëüêî ÿ ïîíèìàþ, ýòî èìåííî ñèìóëÿöèÿ êàê ñâåðõðåàëüíîñòü (èìåííî ïîýòîìó íàïðàøèâàþòñÿ ïàðàëëåëè ñ Travels in Hyperreality Ýêî).  ñëó÷àå èñòîðèè ðåàëüíîñòü íàõîäèòñÿ â íàèáîëåå ïðîèãðûøíîì ïîëîæåíèè, ïîòîìó ÷òî, êðîìå âñåãî ïðî÷åãî, ôàêòû èñòîðèè íàì íå äàíû â íåïîñðåäñòâåííûõ îùóùåíèÿõ (â îòëè÷èå îò ñèìóëÿöèé èñòîðèè, êîòîðûìè ïåðåïîëíåí íàø ìèð).
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Date: 2001-12-17 04:25 am (UTC)Èëè àíãëè÷àíå 19-ãî âåêà ìíîãî î÷åíü çíàëè î ðóññêèõ è Ðîññèè?
Êðîìå òîãî, ÷òî ïðî÷èòàëè â ïåðåâåäåííîì â ôðàíöóçñêîãî "Ó÷èòåëå ôåõòîâàíèÿ"?
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Date: 2001-12-17 05:02 am (UTC)Ñ êàêîé-òî ñòîðîíû, îïÿòü æå, ýòî âñåãäà â êàêîé-òî ìåðå ïðèñóòñòâîâàëî; îäíàêî ñîâðåìåííîå çàïàäíîå îáùåñòâî óäåëÿåò ñèìóëÿöèè âñå áîëüøå è áîëüøå âíèìàíèÿ, ñòðîèò îãðîìíûå èíäóñòðèè ñèìóëÿöèè, ñîáèðàåò îãðîìíûå àóäèòîðèè è ò.ä.
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Date: 2001-12-17 05:19 am (UTC)Íå ïîíèìàþ. Ñòî ëåò íàçàä áûë áîëüøîé êëàññ ëþäåé, êîòîðûå ñ òåì æå óäîâîëüñòâèåì ïðî÷èòàþò ìîäíûé ðîìàí î áåäíîé ïðîñòèòóòêå ñ äîáðûì ñåðäöåì. È ÷òî? À âîñêîâûå ôèãóðû ðàçâå â 20-ì âåêå ïðèäóìàëè? À îáðàáîòêè äëÿ äåòåé è äëÿ ïóùåé ñêðîìíîñòè ñëèøêîì îòêðîâåííûõ êíèã? À èìèòàöèÿ äèêîãî ëåñà êàê òåìà âíóòðè ïàðêà? À ÷ó÷åëà äèêèõ çâåðåé è èõ êîëëåêöèîíåðû, íèêîãäà âæèâóþ ýòèõ çâåðåé íå âèäåâøèå? À çîîïàðêè, íàêîíåö? À àìåðèêàíñêèé wrestling, óõîäÿùèé, ïîëàãàþ, êîðíÿìè â òðàäèöèþ áðîäÿ÷èõ òðóïï è öèðêîâ? À ìîäû íà "äèêàðñêèå" ñòèëè â îäåæäå? À êîìíàòû ñìåõà è ñòðàõà?
Ñ êàêîé-òî ñòîðîíû, îïÿòü æå, ýòî âñåãäà â êàêîé-òî ìåðå ïðèñóòñòâîâàëî; îäíàêî ñîâðåìåííîå çàïàäíîå îáùåñòâî óäåëÿåò ñèìóëÿöèè âñå áîëüøå è áîëüøå âíèìàíèÿ, ñòðîèò îãðîìíûå èíäóñòðèè ñèìóëÿöèè, ñîáèðàåò îãðîìíûå àóäèòîðèè è ò.ä.
Ïîêàæèòå, ãäå ýòà òåíäåíöèÿ ê áîëüøåìó âíèìàíèþ ê ñèìóëÿöèè. ß âèæó òåíäåíöèþ ê óâåëè÷åíèþ äåíåã è âíèìàíèÿ íà ðàçâëå÷åíèÿ âîîáùå, ðàçâëå÷åíèÿ ëþáîãî âèäà, è òåíäåíöèÿ ýòà ëåãêî îáúÿñíÿåòñÿ òåì, ÷òî ëþäÿì, âîîáùå-òî, â çàïàäíîì ìèðå ëåã÷å æèòü, ÷åì ðàíüøå, è äåíåã ó íèõ áîëüøå, ÷åì ðàíüøå. À ãäå ýòà îñîáåííàÿ òåíäåíöèÿ ê çàìåíå ðåàëüíîñòè ñèìóëÿöèÿìè - ýòî ìíå íåÿñíî.
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Date: 2001-12-17 08:11 am (UTC)Âîñêîâûå ôèãóðû ïðèäóìàëè çíà÷èòåëüíî ðàíüøå, íî èñòèííûé ðàñöâåò èõ ïîïóëÿðíîñòè îêàçàëñÿ âîçìîæåí ëèøü ñ ïîÿâëåíèåì ïîíÿòèÿ "çíàìåíèòîñòè", â îêîëîñîâðåìåííîì ñìûñëå ýòîãî ñëîâà, è ïîýòîìó, ìíå êàæåòñÿ, ñòàòóñ ìóçåÿ Òþññî çíà÷èòåëüíî âûðîñ â 20-ì âåêå.
ß íå óâåðåí, ÷òî çîîïàðêè ìîæíî òîëêîì îòíåñòè ê ñèìóëÿöèÿì; èìåííî ïîýòîìó îíè î÷åâèäíî ïðîèãðûâàþò â ïîïóëÿðíîñòè êàíàëó Äèñêàâåðè.
Íàêîíåö, wrestling (èìååòñÿ â âèäó èìèòàöèÿ áîÿ, äà?), íåñîìíåííî, ñòàë íàñòîëüêî ïîïóëÿðåí èìåííî â äâàäöàòîì âåêå, íàñêîëüêî ÿ ïîíèìàþ -- â ïðåæíèå âðåìåíà òàêèå ðàçâëå÷åíèÿ ñ÷èòàëèñü äîñòàòî÷íî ìàðãèíàëüíûìè, à ñåé÷àñ ýòî âïîëíå ìåéíñòðèì.
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Date: 2001-12-17 12:55 pm (UTC)Èñòîðè÷åñêàÿ ñïðàâêà: îñíîâíûì êîíêóðåíòîì ïðåäñòàâëåíèé Øåêñïèðà áûëè êàê ðàç êóëà÷íûå áîè è ìåäâåæüÿ òðàâëÿ.
Ïðî èìèòàöèþ ( ñèìóëÿöèþ? ) áîðüáû â öèðêå XIX âåêà òîæå ìîæíî âñïîìíèòü; ê ýòîìó îáñòîÿòåëüñòâó äàæå âîçâîäèòñÿ ëîæíàÿ ýòèìîëîãèÿ ñëîâîñî÷åòàíèÿ "ãàìáóðãñêèé ñ÷åò".
Òàê ÷òî wrestling ïðîñòî ïåðåíåñ âïîëíå ñòàðèííîå ðàçâëå÷åíèå íà TV.
Ïðîñòî áåäà ñ ýòèìè àðãóìåíòàìè ïîñòìîäåðíèñòîâ: âñå ó íèõ ãëàäêî âûõîäèò, à êàê äåëî äî êîíêðåòèêè äîõîäèò, òàê ---.
Âîñêîâûå ôèãóðû ïðèäóìàëè çíà÷èòåëüíî ðàíüøå, íî èñòèííûé ðàñöâåò èõ ïîïóëÿðíîñòè îêàçàëñÿ âîçìîæåí ëèøü ñ ïîÿâëåíèåì ïîíÿòèÿ "çíàìåíèòîñòè", â îêîëîñîâðåìåííîì ñìûñëå ýòîãî ñëîâà, è ïîýòîìó, ìíå êàæåòñÿ, ñòàòóñ ìóçåÿ Òþññî çíà÷èòåëüíî âûðîñ â 20-ì âåêå.
Íó äà, à ñòàòóñ "celebrity" åñòü ôóíêöèÿ èíäóñòðèè infotainment'a; ïîäîáíîãî ðîäà óñëóãè, íàòóðàëüíî, íàõîäÿò ñâîé ñïðîñ â îáùåñòâå ñ âûñîêèì disposable income. Òî åñòü ðîñò disposable income'a äåéñòâèòåëüíî ïðîèñõîäèò; íàïðèìåð, âñÿ "ìîëîäåæíàÿ êóëüòóðà", íà÷èíàÿ ñ Ýëâèñà Ïðåñëè, çàâèñèò èñêëþ÷èòåëüíî îò ñóùåñòâîâàíèÿ ìîëîäûõ ëþäåé ñ çàìåòíûìè ïîòðåáèòåëüñêèìè âîçìîæíîñòÿìè; so what?
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Date: 2001-12-17 01:07 pm (UTC)Ïðîñòî áåäà ñ ýòèìè àðãóìåíòàìè ïîñòìîäåðíèñòîâ: âñå ó íèõ ãëàäêî âûõîäèò, à êàê äåëî äî êîíêðåòèêè äîõîäèò, òàê ---.
áûëî áû ìèëî, åñëè áû ìû ìîãëè óâèäåòü ïîâòîð ýòîãî ïðåêðàñíîãî ïàññàæà áåç ïîäìåíû îñïàðèâàåìîãî àðãóìåíòà. âïðî÷åì, êîíå÷íî, íå îáÿçàòåëüíî: è òàê íåïëîõî âûøëî.
Íó äà, à ñòàòóñ "celebrity" åñòü ôóíêöèÿ èíäóñòðèè infotainment'a; ïîäîáíîãî ðîäà óñëóãè, íàòóðàëüíî, íàõîäÿò ñâîé ñïðîñ â îáùåñòâå ñ âûñîêèì disposable income. Òî åñòü ðîñò disposable income'a äåéñòâèòåëüíî ïðîèñõîäèò; íàïðèìåð, âñÿ "ìîëîäåæíàÿ êóëüòóðà", íà÷èíàÿ ñ Ýëâèñà Ïðåñëè, çàâèñèò èñêëþ÷èòåëüíî îò ñóùåñòâîâàíèÿ ìîëîäûõ ëþäåé ñ çàìåòíûìè ïîòðåáèòåëüñêèìè âîçìîæíîñòÿìè; so what?
Äåéñòâèòåëüíî, so what? åñëè ýòî áûë àðãóìåíò ïðîòèâ ìîåãî ìíåíèÿ î ñâÿçè ìåæäó celebrity è âîñêîâûìè ôèãóðàìè, òî ÿ íå î÷åíü ïîíÿë, ãäå Âû çäåñü âèäèòå ïðîòèâîðå÷èå.
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Date: 2001-12-17 09:57 am (UTC)Äîìîõîçÿéêà, ïðîâîäÿùàÿ áîëüøóþ ÷àñòü ñâîåãî âðåìåíè â ïîãëîùåíèè ìûëüíûõ îïåð, î÷åâèäíî, óäåëÿåò î÷åíü ìíîãî âíèìàíèÿ ñèìóëÿöèè ïðîñòîé ðåàëüíîé æèçíè. Ñþäà æå ìîæíî îòíåñòè è ìíîãî÷èñëåííûå reality show. Òàêèõ (ïðÿìîëèíåéíûõ) ïðèìåðîâ ìîæíî ïðèâåñòè ìíîãî, è ïðè ýòîì ìû çàòðàãèâàåì ëèøü ïåðâûé ñìûñëîâîé ñëîé áîäðèéÿðîâñêîé èäåè ñèìóëÿêðîâ, è íå êàñàåìñÿ áîëåå ãëóáîêèõ ïîðÿäêîâ èìèòàöèè, òàêèõ, êàê ïðèðîäà "çíàìåíèòîñòåé" èëè êóëüòà íîâîñòåé. ß, ê ñîæàëåíèþ, íåäîñòàòî÷íî çíàêîì ñ ðàáîòàìè Áîäðèéÿðà íà ýòó òåìó è ïîêà íå ÷óâñòâóþ â ñåáå ñèë ïîñëåäîâàòåëüíî îòñòàèâàòü åãî âçãëÿä íà ìèð.
ß âèæó òåíäåíöèþ ê óâåëè÷åíèþ äåíåã è âíèìàíèÿ íà ðàçâëå÷åíèÿ âîîáùå, ðàçâëå÷åíèÿ ëþáîãî âèäà, è òåíäåíöèÿ ýòà ëåãêî îáúÿñíÿåòñÿ òåì, ÷òî ëþäÿì, âîîáùå-òî, â çàïàäíîì ìèðå ëåã÷å æèòü, ÷åì ðàíüøå, è äåíåã ó íèõ áîëüøå, ÷åì ðàíüøå.
Ìíå êàæåòñÿ, ÷òî çà ïîñëåäíèå ñòî ëåò èçìåíèëîñü íå òîëüêî êîëè÷åñòâåííàÿ ìåðà ðàñõîäîâ îáùåñòâà íà ðàçâëå÷åíèÿ, íî è ñòðóêòóðà ýòèõ ðàñõîäîâ, ñ óâåëè÷åíèåì àêöåíòà íà èìèòàöèþ. Íî áûëî áû îøèáêîé ïîíèìàòü áîäðèéÿðîâñêîå ïîíÿòèå "ñèìóëÿöèè" êàê ÷èñòî ðàçâëåêàòåëüíûé òåðìèí.
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Date: 2001-12-17 11:51 am (UTC)Î÷åíü äàæå ïðîñòàÿ - â ïðåäïîëîæåíèè ÷òî ó ðûíêà òðóäà ìîãóò áûòü æåðòâû.
Èìåëîñü â âèäó, ÷òî âòîðàÿ ïîòåðÿ ðàáîòû ìåòàëëóðãàìè êàê áû íå íàñòîÿùàÿ, ïîýòîìó ïåðâàÿ ïîòåðÿ ðàáîòû ïîìå÷åíà ñëîâîì "real".
×òî-òî ìíå êàæåòñÿ ÷òî Âû ïîäèãðûâàåòå Áîäðèÿðó. Àâòîð ñêàçàë òîëüêî ÷òî óâîëåííûå è åñòü real victims of job market.
Ïîíÿòíî, ÷òî human genome ïðèâîäèòñÿ êàê ïðèìåð "ðåàëüíîé âåùè", êîòîðàÿ ìîæåò áûòü àññèìèëèðîâàíà äèñíååâñêèì ìåõàíèçìîì ñèìóëÿöèé as is, äëÿ ýòîãî äîñòàòî÷íî çíàòü ïðèìåðíóþ ôîðìó âåùè, íå áîëåå òîãî.
Êàê Âû, íàâåðíîå, çàìåòèëè, ÿ íå ïèòàþ îñîáîãî ïî÷òåíèÿ ã ã-íó Áîäðèéÿðó, îò÷åãî ñêëîíåí ïîëàãàòü ÷òî ïàññàæ ïðî ãåíîì íàïèñàí ïðîñòî äëÿ êðàñíîãî ñëîâöà. ß òàê æå äîëæåí ïðèçíàòüñÿ ÷òî íå âïîëíå ïîíèìàþ ÷òî òàêîå ñèìóëÿöèÿ âîîáùå è "ñèìóëÿöèÿ ãåíîìà" : àòòðàêöèîí, äåìîíñòðèðóþùèé ðàáîòó ðèáîñîìû äëÿ êàêîãî-òî SciencePark'à? Èñïîëüçîâàíèå äâîéíîé ñïèðàëè êàê ñèìâîëà íàó÷íîãî çíàíèÿ?
Êñòàòè, øêîëüíûé ó÷åáíèê ëþáîãî ïðåäìåòà åñòü, åñëè óãîäíî, ñèìóëÿöèÿ çíàíèÿ; îò÷åãî íà ïåðâîì êóðñå è îãîðîøèâàþò ñîîáùåíèåì "çàáóäüòå âñå ÷åìó âàñ ó÷èëè â øêîëå". Òàê áûëî âñåãäà è ïîëàãàþ ÷òî òàê æå îñòàíåòñÿ íàâñåãäà.
íî îñíîâíàÿ ìûñëü - ÷òî ïðîáëåìà èíôîðìàöèîííûõ âèðóñîâ êîðåíèòñÿ íå â ñåòè êàê òàêîâîé, à â òîì, ÷òî ê ýòîé ñåòè ïîäêëþ÷åíî
Âû îïÿòü, ÈÌÕÎ, ïîäèãðûâàåòå Áîäðèÿðó, âû÷èòàâàÿ èç åãî ïóòàíûõ ïðåäëîæåíèé íåêèé ñìûñë. Áîäðèÿð ãîâîðèò î òîì, ÷òî, ïîñêîëüêó èíôîðìàöèÿ, äåñêàòö, âèðàëüíà, òî íèêàêîé ðàçíèöû ìåæäó âèðóñîì è îáû÷íîé ïðîãðàììîé âñå ðàâíî íåò.
Äîìîõîçÿéêà, ïðîâîäÿùàÿ áîëüøóþ ÷àñòü ñâîåãî âðåìåíè â ïîãëîùåíèè ìûëüíûõ îïåð, î÷åâèäíî, óäåëÿåò î÷åíü ìíîãî âíèìàíèÿ ñèìóëÿöèè ïðîñòîé ðåàëüíîé æèçíè.
Åñëè áû, çà îòñóòñâèåì òåëåâèçîðà/êèíî, îíà ïîãëîùàëà áû êîììåð÷åñêèå ðîìàíû, â ÷åì áûëà áû ðàçíèöà?
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Date: 2001-12-17 12:41 pm (UTC)Íå âèæó ñâÿçè. Îáîðîò äîñòàòî÷íî íåéòðàëüíûé, è òåêñò â îáùåì îòíþäü íå êðèòèêóåò ðûíîê òðóäà.
×òî-òî ìíå êàæåòñÿ ÷òî Âû ïîäèãðûâàåòå Áîäðèÿðó. Àâòîð ñêàçàë òîëüêî ÷òî óâîëåííûå è åñòü
real victims of job market.
 òåêñòå ÷åòêî ïðîòèâîïîñòàâëåíî ïåðâîå è âòîðîå óâîëüíåíèå, è "real victims of job market" ñîâåðøåííî ÿâíî îòíîñèòñÿ òîëüêî ê ïåðâîìó, íó, íà ìîé âçãëÿä.
Áåçóñëîâíî, ÿ ñêîðåå ñêëîíåí ïîäûãðûâàòü ïðàêòè÷åñêè ëþáîìó òåêñòó, íåæåëè óäàðÿòüñÿ â ïðîòèâîïîëîæíóþ êðàéíîñòü. È, ðàçóìååòñÿ, ÿ ñòàðàþñü ðàçãëÿäåòü ñìûñë è âûíóæäåí ìåñòàìè ãèïîñòàçèðîâàòü ñìûñëû è äîñòðàèâàòü íåâûñêàçàííûå âåùè. Ïî-ìîåìó, ýòî ñîâåðøåííî íîðìàëüíî ïðè ÷òåíèè ýññå.
Êàê Âû, íàâåðíîå, çàìåòèëè, ÿ íå ïèòàþ îñîáîãî ïî÷òåíèÿ ã ã-íó Áîäðèéÿðó, îò÷åãî ñêëîíåí ïîëàãàòü ÷òî ïàññàæ ïðî ãåíîì íàïèñàí ïðîñòî äëÿ êðàñíîãî ñëîâöà.
Êðàñíîòà ñëîâöà, â îáùåì ñëó÷àå, íå èñêëþ÷àåò îñìûñëåííîñòè âûñêàçûâàíèÿ; êðîìå òîãî, îïÿòü æå, èñïîëüçîâàíèå êðàñíîãî ñëîâöà â ýññå êàê ìèíèìóì äîïóñòèìî, ÷òîáû íå ñêàçàòü "æåëàòåëüíî". ×òî äî êîíêðåòíîãî èñïîëüçîâàíèÿ ãåíîìà â ñèìóëÿöèè -- íå çíàþ, ñêàæåì, âûñòàâî÷íîå çäàíèå â ôîðìå ìîëåêóëû ÄÍÊ (êàê ñèìâîë èñêóññòâà èìèòàöèè) âïîëíå ñîéäåò. Íå ñóòü.
íî îñíîâíàÿ ìûñëü - ÷òî ïðîáëåìà èíôîðìàöèîííûõ âèðóñîâ êîðåíèòñÿ íå â ñåòè êàê òàêîâîé, à â òîì, ÷òî ê ýòîé ñåòè ïîäêëþ÷åíî
Âû îïÿòü, ÈÌÕÎ, ïîäèãðûâàåòå Áîäðèÿðó, âû÷èòàâàÿ èç åãî ïóòàíûõ ïðåäëîæåíèé íåêèé ñìûñë.
Ýòîò ïàññàæ Âû, âåðîÿòíî, çàõîòèòå ïåðåàäðåñîâàòü
Áîäðèéÿð, çàìåòèì â ñêîáêàõ, íå îòðèöàåò ðàçíèöû ìåæäó âèðóñîì è ïðîãðàììîé, à ëèøü óêàçûâàåò íà ñõîäñòâî ìåæäó âèðóñîì è èíôîðìàöèåé (ïîäûãðûâàÿ åìó, ÿ ñêàæó, ÷òî çà ñëîâîì "èíôîðìàöèÿ" ÿ çäåñü âèæó ñëîâî "ìèôîëîãåìà").
Åñëè áû, çà îòñóòñâèåì òåëåâèçîðà/êèíî, îíà ïîãëîùàëà áû êîììåð÷åñêèå ðîìàíû, â ÷åì áûëà áû ðàçíèöà?
ðîìàí -- æàíð ïðèíöèïèàëüíî ìåíåå èìèòàòèâíûé. ðàçíèöà, î÷åâèäíî, áûëà áû êîëè÷åñòâåííàÿ.
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Date: 2001-12-17 12:55 pm (UTC)Ìîæíî óçíàòü ïðè÷èíó? ß íå ÷èòàë åãî ñåðüåçíûõ òåêñòîâ, íî åãî ýññå ìíå î÷åíü äàæå íðàâÿòñÿ.